Sonlight Devotional

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Omega Message – July 2005

Prophecy

Mavis duCille

(Given at the December 2004 Sonlight Gospel Conference in West Palm Beach Florida)

Cast thou thyself before the Lord thy God. Come thyself before the Almighty; that He might raise thee up, that He might anoint thee, that He might give unto thee that which thy soul desireth, that which will give thee life and health and strength and the blessings for that which thou must face, saith the Lord thy God. So rejoice not in the things that lie around thee that do not bring thee life, that does not lift thee up, but rejoice in that which the Lord thy God does place in the midst of thee to lift thee up, to point thee in the direction of the life and the light and the glory of His Kingdom, hallelujah. For unto this hath the Lord thy God called thee and assigned thee.

Fear not, lest thou enter not into that which so many have missed, but that which the Lord has declared for a people that will come forth in His glory, to be His glory in the earth. So tarry not in the plain, lest thou be consumed, but lift up thyself before the Lord thy God and account within thy own self that which the Lord requires of thee in holiness and in righteousness that thou might do that which the Lord has commanded thee and that thou wilt bring forth in the earth that which is life, that which will arise and awake those who are dead from their slumber and their sleep for, yea, the time is short and even now will I say that the time is now, saith the Lord thy God.

The Love Of God

Cecil duCille

(Given December 30^th, 2004 at the Sonlight Gospel Conference in West Palm Beach Florida)

Hallelujah! Brethren, will you turn your Bibles with me to I John and let us look at chapter 4 and verse 16. And we have known and be-lieved the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

God is love. That is just what I want to talk to you about a little bit and pray that His Spirit might help us to really see above the natural.

God made man in His own image and man is the only creature that can love. Yes.  You know, love is much more than what we can see or what we believe. We believe in a love that is on such a low plane.  It is on such a low plane and we heard that they have carried it even lower by saying, “Men love women,” and they even say, “I love this and I love that.” “I love to drink coffee,” and, “I love so and so.” It is the lowest area that we could even consider of love.

God is love. Someone asks you, “Who is this God? This great God that made the heavens and this God that reigns and rules within the universe, who is He?” Who is He? The best answer you can say is, “He is love.”

But then, what is love? Because if we start to think about love, we are going to be judging it from ourselves, but the Word says God loves us and anyone that dwelleth in love, dwelleth in God. Now, we know then that God is life and God is light (I John 1:5). So, we are talking about energy. We are talking about something that is so vibrant, it is far beyond what we can think. A life that, when it comes into you, it drives away all of death. That is why I believe we should get to the stage where, when our bodies are sick, we just put it before God and let His life come into us and we will be healed. Personally, I have experienced it and I believe it and I would like to see us get there, but that is just the edge of love and life, because when you allow God’s life to heal your bodies, it is basic. It is basic. It is down to earth, amen, because there is something more. I mean, that is not all. God, this great energy, this great energy is Love.

Now, to understand love, let us look at the opposite of love.  We have hate. That is on the other side, far out there. But between love and hate, you have shadows. Everything that departs from the light is a shadow and it is hate. So, when we say we love so and so or we love this person, we are speaking relatively, consequent upon our capacity to love. We are not saying that we have attained unto agape, for agape is so much higher than what we have that we can only imagine what this love is like. The Bible said, for God so loved the world, that he gave Himself (John 3:16). When the scriptures say, His only begotten Son, it is only another way of saying God took out part of Himself and gave it to us. In other words, God has to speak a language that we understand. When God talks about His Son, He is talking about God. He is talking about God coming out of God to enter into you. You cannot understand how hard it was for God to do that, how horrible it was for Jesus Christ to allow demons to take hold of Him and to take Him down into hell when He had the power to destroy them all! It is terrible. It is hard to think of. He had the power, if He had spoken one word, He could have destroyed them all. Then the devil sent the people to tempt Him. “If you are God, we will believe You right now if You will just come right down off the cross” (Matthew 27:42). He was tempted to come down and even to go back up, but that was a temptation and Jesus would not fall for that.

Under the pressure of hate, that is the time that love shows forth itself the greatest.

God speaks of the love that you have for your family, and He said by this love you can learn a little of God’s love.  He said, “Unto your natural love, add God’s love” (II Peter 1:7).  The love of God, therefore, is above our natural love. What is the height of our natural love? A woman has a child and her very soul is knit to that child. If you are going to hurt that child, you are going to hurt the mother’s innermost being, because that child is not just a part of her, but somehow her whole being is involved in the being of the child. God said, “Can a mother’s tender care cease toward the child she bear? Is it possible?” He said, “Yes.  She may be forgetful, but,” He said, “I will never forget you” (Isaiah 49:15). When we move in love, we are moving in the highest form of holiness that is revealed to man. That is, He gave us an idea. He said, “Love thinketh no evil” (I Corinthians 13:5). Love thinketh no evil. That is, this child is evil.  This man is evil. He is doing wrong. He is doing everything that is contrary to God and to us. He is hurting you. He is killing you. He wishes you dead. You cannot think him evil.  You cannot think, “Man, he needs a good wallop.” Isn’t that the way some­times we feel? Yes.  “That guy needs a good wallop to set him straight.” What he needs is love. Now, if we get to the stage where we can impart love, impart the love of God to someone who is not lovely, who is away from love, who is cruel, who is doing harm, then we will have risen above the human realm. Remember, He said pray for them which de-spitefully use you, and persecute you; ⁴⁵That ye may be the children of your Father… children of love (Matthew 5:44-45). That is what He is talking about. If you can pray for someone who is hurting you, then you have attained unto a higher level of human behavior than what is natu­ral.

I went to God, but I was honest. I said, “God, you know I cannot love this man. I cannot love him.” I didn’t want to say, “I hate him.”  I just couldn’t love him, but there is nothing between love and hate.  Any­thing outside of love is hate. You know something?  Even indifference is hate. You don’t care whether he lives or dies. You don’t care.  People around you are dying and you don’t care.  You are not walking in love. That is terrible, isn’t it?  All of us would be guilty.  Oh, yes. Some of us are so busy with our own business that we don’t care.  People, neighbors, going to hell. You don’t care.  How often have you gone out and seen a person that is bad, bad, bad and you feel a compassion and you start praying for that person, “Have mercy on him”?

Love will cancel hate. Do you hear me? It will cancel out hate. There is somebody that hates you. He hates the very ground you walk on. He wishes you dead, and you get before him and the radiation of the love of God out of you cancels his hate. When he gets away from you, he feels a little different about you.  Instead, what has really been hap­pening is that hate is canceling our love. When you think of what God did for you… hmm? For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son and His Son had to pay the price for sin which was horrible (John 3:16). I mean, I heard someone say the other day, He must have had every disease that you can think of that oppresses humanity.  Jesus Christ must have been attacked by these diseases and He was able to overcome them. But He had to go through all this, and the worst part of it is that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Life of God, the Light, the Glory of God had to allow Himself to be put down by evil demons. You cannot imagine how hard that was for Him. When Jesus Christ called in the garden, “Let this cup pass from Me” (Matthew 26:39), He wasn’t saying that He didn’t want to save humanity any more.  That is not what He was saying. He was saying, “Do I have to go through all this? Do I have to allow Myself to be taken by demons, by devils? Do I have to be taken down to hell?” The Bible says hell was made for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). Hell was not made for man, and Jesus Christ allowed Himself to be taken by the very opposite of everything that He was, and we will call that death, and He was allowed to do that until God judged Him guiltless and He was redeemed from out of hell.

So, I am saying, brethren, that, when the Bible says, God is love, those three words, we will never be able to fully understand the immen­sity of the understanding of what it is that God is. Now, He is therefore everything that is contrary to what we are. We are, well, flesh and blood, darkness, sin, everything that is contrary to light, glory, power, strength, uplifting, and God says that He is going to make you love. God breathed into Adam and Adam became a living soul (Genesis 2:7) and then Adam died, so God is again breathing into us so that we might become living souls.

Now, one of the things that blessed me with what Barak said is that he equated this thing that we should be, with a time, a tenure. In other words, there is a tenure that is given to me. A tenure in which I should attain to what God has ordained for me to be. There is a tenure that you have, a time. What are you doing in your time to achieve that which God has ordained for you to be? You know, when he was speak­ing, I turned the Bible over to Ecclesiastes 3:2 and it says that there is a time appointed, a time to live, and a time to die. All these beautiful little children, there is a time to die. But guess what? They are going to be given enough time to accomplish that which God has ordained for the sons of God to do. See? You look into Hebrews 11 and the last verse, which is verse 40, says,

God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Now, they had a tenure, a time, an area of time in which the grace of God would bring man, humanity, to a certain spot in his development. You have a piece.  Moses had his part and everybody has his part. And Moses had to bring humanity, their order, their lives, their suffer­ing, was going to bring the Jews, for the sake of all humanity, to a certain point of their development.

Now, there were the hosts of hell, demons, devils who were working contrary to this and God would not intervene. God would not ­do you hear me? – intervene. What did God do? God gave us the power. God gave Moses the power.  The Bible says, death reigned from Adam to Moses (Romans 5:14). My God, how can I understand that? …death reigned from Adam to Moses. Why didn’t the Bible say, “Death reigned from Adam to Jesus”?  The Bible said, death reigned… to Moses. That means that Moses had a time. God gave him 120 years and in his tenure he should stop death by the power that God had given him. Now, what power did God give Moses? -He gave him the power of the law.  Amen. Because the Bible said that every word of God, every word of God is yea and amen and it must accomplish that whereunto God had sent it (II Corinthians 1:20, Isaiah 55:11). So God sent Moses with the law.  Now, before the law, sin could not be imputed (Romans 5:13).  Did you know that? Nobody could go to hell. That is a hard one to swallow.  All the wicked men, all the wicked men, they could not go into a permanent condition of everlasting torment, but then, nobody could go to heaven, either.  “Brother Cec, you missed it this time. You really missed it this time.” Nobody could go to hell. Nobody could go to heaven.

What am I talking about? I am talking about the condition. The Bible said before the law, sin could not be imputed to man (Romans 5:13). Do you know why? You were born in sin.  You were shapen in iniquity (Psalm 51:5). You had nothing to do with it.  You were born that way.  Can I send you to hell because you were born a sinner? No, sir.  I have to give you the power to overthrow sin and you have to become responsible and then you have to fail – then you become guilty.  So with­out a law, there could be no guilt established.  So then, God gave Moses the law and Moses, now actually being the keeper of the law, found within the law, life.  He found deliverance within the law.  Why? Be­cause it was God’s Word and God’s Word must have deliverance and must have life.

Moses, therefore, went on and God testified of him. That is the one man in the Bible that God testified of and God said that this man, there is no man on earth like this man Moses (Deuteronomy 34:10, He­brews 3:5). That man must have been some kind of a tough, tough fel­low.  His soul must have been like iron, because he was leading over 3 million people. If you have any idea of how rebellious people are, you will know that to lead 3 people you have trouble, much more 3 million people. But God gave him the law and he found that there was one escape, one loophole from sin in the law; only one door was open in the law for an escape from sin. Remember now, the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). So everybody who sinned had to die and they had to go to hell.

You want the proof, brother?  I hear somebody’s mind say, “Hmm, I would like to see that.” All right. The proof is that God only recorded in the Bible one sin in Samuel’s life.  I didn’t say he didn’t have other sins in his mind or so, but God recorded only one sin in his life and that sin was that he could not control his sons (I Samuel 8:1-3). Now, he died and let us say we don’t know where he is.  He died. But then, one day, Saul called a sorcerer, a woman, a witch, the witch of Endor we call her, and she called up Samuel from the grave. Now, some of the brethren say that it was not Samuel. Some theologians say it was not Samuel. Let us read it, because the Word of God will convince you.  Where do we find it? Samuel. How could you find it in Samuel? That means that Samuel didn’t write Samuel.  Come on now, brethren.  Help me. That tells me that Samuel did not write Samuel.

I Samuel 28:7, Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her.  And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.  ⁸And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. Now, there is something peculiar there because the woman did not seem to know that she was bringing up Samuel, the great prophet, so Saul must have given her another name. Samuel had another name. All of us have more than one name. Yes.  Read on and you will see that the woman did not know it was Samuel.

Verse 11, Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. Somehow or the other, the woman did not know that it was the great prophet Samuel that she was bringing up. ¹²And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. Possibly then it was Samuel that told her that it was Saul. It was when she saw the spirit that she knew that she was dealing with Saul. ¹³And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. ¹⁴And he said unto her, What form is he of?  And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle.  And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. Up to then, you could say it could be an­other impersonating spirit. That is what the theologians say.  But read verse 15, And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? and Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philis-tines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. ¹⁶Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? ¹⁷And the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand… You want to tell me that an impersonating demon is preaching the Word of God?  There’s no way.  It’s not possible.

This was Samuel. This was Samuel and you need to face the truth, brethren, that a soul that is in hell can be raised up by sorcerers. Now, they blame me for preaching this, right?  But I must preach the truth, especially as I am going to indict myself now, especially that I know better.  In other words, I have seen them myself. It is not a person preaching to you without the experience. I have experience in this mat­ter.  You cannot raise a person who is with the Lord.  You cannot raise up a soul who is with the Lord. You can only command a demon who is in hell.

You ask the question, “How could Samuel be in hell?  How could Samuel be in hell?” The Word of God.  The Word of God says that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Now tell me which man never sinned? From Adam… Adam was there.  Jesus had to go to raise Adam out of hell. That is why Jesus had to go to hell. Jesus had an appoint­ment in hell. He had to go to hell to pay for Adam’s sin and when He paid for Adam’s sin, God judged His soul and found Him guiltless and He would not allow a guiltless person, a man who never sinned a sin in His life to be in hell. So God had to resurrect Him and when God resur­rected Him, Samuel and Adam came up also.  Yes.

I want you to question everything that I tell you. I am going to have a little question time at the end of this message. Jot down a few things to question me on. I want this situation to be cleared up in your minds. Every book you read is going to tell you contrary to what I am telling you now because the theologians are afraid of the subject. They are afraid that people will call them sorcerers. Amen. But because I am sure that I am not a sorcerer, I am not afraid.  You understand?  That is good. What they call me doesn’t make any difference because I know who I am.  You had better know yourself. You had better know yourself.  A man comes up and he curses me and he says, “You are this and you are that and you are the other.”  I say, “I know you.  I know who you are. You are speaking from the voice of the devil because I know who I am.” You shouldn’t be afraid of anybody cursing you. His curses should not have any affect upon you if you know who you are. Remember the little song, “Do you know who you are?” If Jesus is the Shepherd, then you are the sheep. If He is the Father, then you are the son.

The point is that this was Samuel. Samuel’s soul was there in this place. In the scripture it is described as Paradise. OK. Jesus Christ is on the cross. A man who is beside Him on the cross says, Lord, re-member me when Thou comest into thy kingdom (Luke 23:42), and he turned to the man and said, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Where do you think Jesus was going? He was going to hell. He was on His way to hell to preach to the spirits in prison, to lead captivity captive and to give gifts to men (Ephesians 4:8). He was on His way to hell, and the sinner man beside Him was also going to hell and at that point he would have the opportunity to accept Jesus. Do you understand?

Now, therefore, if Samuel went down to the prison house and everybody… Adam went down there, right down to Moses. What did Moses do to stop the devil from taking him? One road, one way.  Three times a year, every Israelite would take a lamb to the priest and they would offer a sacrifice and their sins were forgiven (Leviticus 16:34). His sins were forgiven right there.  God came to Moses and said, “Moses you are to go up into the mountain and there you shall die” (Deuteronomy 32:48-50). Now Moses, in his law, says that no man must come before the Lord without an offering, so we do know that Moses had a little lamb under his arm. Moses could not face God without an offering, and he was going to die when he made that offering, so he killed the lamb and he died immediately and his sins were forgiven and the devil came and wanted the body of Moses and the angel rebuked him (Jude 9). Moses was taken by the angels, God said, and buried, and then Moses turned up on the Mount of Transfiguration with Jesus (Mark 9:2-4).  Look at the company that Moses was in. Who was Moses with? Elijah. Did Elijah die? No. Moses was there with Elijah and they came back to ask Jesus to ex­plain to them about His death, His burial and His resurrection. So through the blood of the lamb, he was delivered from death and he found life.

In every age, at least one man found immortality.  Let’s go way back to the age of innocence. Enoch. Now, there was a way, there was an opening, there was a door in that dispensation. There was a door in that dispensation that men could have used to walk into God. Adam used to walk with God in the garden (Genesis 3:8) and when Adam sinned, God set an angel that has a sword that turns four ways. I don’t know how a sword turns four ways but “get a sword that turns four ways… east, west, north, south, that no man can re-enter into the garden” (Gen­esis 3:24). Amen.

Now, we have to think of it as a spiritual realm.  So, there was a spiritual realm that had a barrier that no man could enter, and that realm is in your soul. That realm is in your soul. You cannot go back there except in Christ. So Adam had been teaching the sons of God.  He had been teaching all of them, and the seventh man from Adam saw some­thing in what Adam was saying.  He saw something in what Adam was saying that was beyond, beyond Adam, and he was going to exercise that thing. Do you know what it was? Faith! There was an opening by faith that God would count you worthy of faith. Now, if you died, you would go to hell because you had sin, but if you had faith in God to believe that you wouldn’t die, but escape death.  That was the only way he could escape, to get out of it without dying. Enoch never died. Enoch be­lieved God and he got God into a corner.  Oh yes, oh yes. “You promise that if I believe You, I will never die.”  The power (I am talking about energy), the power and the love of God was in Enoch.  He exercised his right before God so that God had to say, “Come up and take him up.” You know, it was 365 years he lived?  Three hundred sixty-five and ¼ days make a year, a solar year.  So 365… I believe he even had the quarter in it and that is when he left. His wife said, “Enoch walked with God and Enoch is no more for God took him away” (Genesis 5:24). So Enoch got into heaven without dying. I don’t know what he did with his clothes. I know Elijah dropped off his.  But Enoch is in heaven as a physical man, flesh and bone. Maybe the blood is gone, but the bone is there and Enoch is with God and by the power of the love of God that was in him, he was able to cheat death. So was Elijah and we do believe the Bible confirms that many more went that way.  Probably millions and millions and millions of people are in heaven with their bodies, with their natural bodies, like your natural body.  You see, the natural body you have can feed on two different types of energy. The energy we are getting from the earth is very low, low energy.  That is the reason we have to eat three times a day.  Amen. And although you might have eaten twice, I am sure before you go to bed, you are going to nibble something again. Why are you doing that? Because you lack energy.  You want more.  You are getting your energy from the earth, but Jesus said, “I have food that no man knows of.” He said that Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4).

One sister came out with this thing that she knew the consistency of the bread that God gave to Elijah. Some of you sisters bake Elijah bread, don’t you?  Ezekiel bread? Well, it’s not Elijah?  Well, it so happens that God made a bread, a cake. I notice He said, “cake,” not bread. That means to say that He must have put some sweet something in it. The man, Elijah, ate the cake and after he ate it he went to sleep and the angel woke him up and said, “Come, eat again.” He ate again and the food that he ate that day took him 40 days (I Kings 19:8). He wasn’t hungry.  Man, I would like to find that food. We are talking about life.  God is light. God is life. God is energy. God is power.  All that says that God is love. And that is what love means.

Now, this love or this life, Elijah ate it and it took him 40 days.  He wasn’t hungry for 40 days, and I just want to show you what we are looking at today.  We are trying to look at the thing on a higher level.  The love of God in you will deliver you from everything that is natural and carnal and physical. The love of God IN you. If you hate, you are going to get trouble. Do you know that to worry is part of hate? Have you ever heard that some people get cancer because of worry, or stress?  If you can, by the power of God, overcome stress, you will save your life. You know, as Barak was talking he said the little word, “if.” “If” is such a powerful word. You have two ways to go. You can go this way and you get trouble, distress, worry, pain and suffering.  You can go the other way and you get life.  The same trouble will be there but it won’t affect you.

God wants us to abide in His love. He said, “He that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God and God is in him and he is in God” (I John 4:16). Can you understand what we are talking about? The hate that comes to you, the distress that comes to you when somebody bothers you, when somebody does something wrong brings sadness, worry, pain.  All that is lack of love.

Lack of love, because God said, “If you love Me, you will keep My com­mandments” (John 14:15). A person who does not keep God’s command­ments does not love God. For the Word of God tells you that love is a force that lifts you above the human dimension. For instance, a person hates you. It says, “Pray for them that hate you” (Matthew 5:44). Now come on. Tell me. Have you been able to pray for those who hate you? Some people pray… What Psalm is it? What Psalm is it, Mavis, that they pray? …let his prayer become sin (Psalm 109:7). I have seen people actually pray the 109th Psalm for people who hurt them. “Let his prayer become sin and let so and so happen to him and his children be destroyed.” You ask this ques­tion: why was such a psalm written in the Bible? Come, come. Find it. I have seen people pray the 109th Psalm and they feel like they are doing it righteously.  Let’s see what it says here now. ⁷When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin. ⁸Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ⁹Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.  ¹⁰Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places. This is one of the reasons why some people say they don’t believe the Bible. They don’t believe the Bible. Do you know what this is saying? This is a prophecy of what is going to happen to those who hate God’s people.  Instead of saying, “Let this be, let this be,” it says, “This is what shall be, and this shall be, and that shall be, and that shall be.” It is laying out the things that come upon those who hate God’s people.  It is not saying that you must pray that, “This is what You should do to them, God.  You should do this to them.  You should kill their children. You should do so and so.”  That is not it. So when you have the love of God in you, you are going to say, “Lord God, have mercy upon those who hate me and upon those who despise me and those who persecute me.” You will be genuinely able to pray for them.  God said, “By your phileo, pull yourself up into agape.” I wonder at it. How am I going to turn my phileo into agape? Now, I begin to think.  You have a child, you have a brother, you have a friend who is bad and does all kinds of wicked­ness and they catch him and they are judging him and you pray, “Lord, have mercy upon him.” Your brother, your child.  It is somebody’s brother.  It is somebody’s child, and if you can feel bowels of compassion for your own, then take that and look at him and say, “It is another human being.  Lord God, have mercy upon him.”

I look at Scott Peterson and I see a wretched person. My God, all this judgment coming down upon him. He has done something aw­ful. Maybe… because man’s judgment says he did it and it looks like he did kill his pregnant wife and dump her in the bay.  But then the judg­ment is coming on him and he is a human being, he is a soul and if he were your brother, how would you feel about him?  Tell me the truth.  Would you say, “Kill him”?  You would begin to say, “Lord God, he is guilty.  He is wicked, he is vile, he is bad. Save the sinner.  Have mercy upon him.” And this is where love becomes powerful.

So therefore, love is my life force. It is a power.  Somebody be­lieves that love is passive and just says, “Oh, I love you so much, I can allow you do to anything.” Love is not passive. Love is a force. Love is a power. Amen.

So, what about the marriage situation? When we marry someone and then we say, “Oh we don’t love him/her any more.”  Or, “Be­cause this person is so annoying, so nagging, so terrible, and makes my life miserable, I don’t love that person any more.” Do you know what you are saying? If I tell you what you are say­ing, you are not going to believe it. You are saying you don’t love God. That is what you are saying. You don’t love God.  Let me tell you, no matter how awful the person is, no matter how horrible the person is, the love of God in you should be crying out, “God, have mercy upon him/ her.” Amen.

 I mean, I know there are cases. I have seen cases where some­body captured somebody.  I am not talking about righteousness. I am talking about sin. The man goes out of his way, sets a trap for a woman, captures her, binds her up, marries her and then, of course, she becomes a prisoner and her life is miserable. She’s a prisoner.  God has to inter­vene to deliver her out of his hand. I have seen that happen. But I am talking about us. I never believed that I would live to see divorce in our midst because I believed the love of God would stop any divorce, the love of God in you would stop a divorce. You gave yourself to this person and you both decided to… So much love was there, but after­wards things got sour and the devil walked in. Your power of love should reach out to that person. Now, if that person is totally against everything that God says, everything that God wants, everything… You couldn’t stop the person from divorcing you or something like that, but that has nothing to do with the love of God that is in you which should never turn to hate. It should never, ever, ever, ever turn to hate.  You see what I am saying? There is an unseen power beyond what we can conceive within you, within us and that power lies in our capacity to love. Amen.

If you have a loved one and the loved one is sick or hurt or dying, by that power of love you will be able to command the deliverance for that person unless it is God’s will that that person should be taken home.  He/ she cannot die. Amen. You know, I just had an experience with my niece. She was maybe the second convert in my family, the second one that was saved in my family.  She was so calm. She was such a peaceful person, unlike my sister, her mother, who was full of life and words and everything else. She was very calm, very peaceful. I have never heard her raise her voice and she was what I call a good Christian. She had this lump in her breast and she felt that she should go to the doctor.  She went to the doctor and the doctor operated on it and just like that, the thing just scattered all over her body and within a month her body was full of cancer.  I went to God and I said, “God, save Joan.” Now, when I asked God to save Joan, I felt that Joan was saved, delivered from this. But she got worse and she got worse and she got worse. The doctor said, “She can’t live to see the morn­ing,” and I said, “Doctor, you are wrong.  God is going to save her.”  I was in denial. I really believed God was going to save her, but they called me at

5:00 in the morning and said that she had died. Now, the most I could say was, “The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord. This is God’s will.”  But I remembered 5 years ago, I was woken up by God one morning early, woken up.  God gave me an urgent message to tell Joan that she must immediately quit the job she was in. She was like the head nurse in some hospital and it was so much of a pressure on her.  It was too much for her and God said she should quit right away.  So I rushed down to Ft. Lauderdale, called her and her husband, and told her she must quit right away.  God Almighty said she must quit right away.  She said, “But then I have bills to pay and then I have…” Listen, brethren, if you love God, did you hear me? You are going to do what God says to do, and it is God’s responsibility to pay your bills! I don’t know how to further express it.

In this meeting, in this convention, we have heard some really strong words going out to people and when you sat down there and when you heard those words, something happened in your heart. Don’t forget it! Don’t forget it!  It was the Word of God to you, but sometimes, after we get the Word of God, we argue.  We go and we calculate it out and we argue it out and we say, “Well, you know, maybe I have to do this and maybe I have to do that,” and then, at that moment, you take a turn. The Word…  I guaran­tee she would be alive today, but there is that big “if.”  “If you will hear My voice and if you will do what I say to you, then your life will be prolonged for so many days. If not, then I will take you home and you will be just as happy in heaven.” I believe there is an “if” that is on top of all of us here. That great big “if” and God said the key is the love of God.

One day, I saw Brother Burt in a meeting and he got up, and let me tell you something. Hate can bar you from hearing God when God speaks.

He got up and he went over to a sister and he really put the finger on her. He just let loose the Word of God.  Now, it would be so stupid for me to sit down. Somebody comes and prophesies to me, it is so stupid for me to sit down and say, “He made that up.  He heard somebody talk.” My God, you are killing yourself. You’re committing spiritual murder.  God spoke to that woman. I knew what he was saying. I knew more of what he was saying than anybody in that congregation! To this day, neither Brother Burt nor anybody else knows what he was saying as much as I know it. Amen.

What is five years or a few years? It is like a snap of the fingers to God. You make a wrong turn, you reject the Word of God, you reject God, you enter into hate, and you leave love behind you the moment you begin to say, “That man, Burt.  He is this, and he is that and he is the other.”  Don’t you understand that is the word of the devil to destroy the Word of God in our midst? God has promised that, at the end of time, He will bring forth the apostle, the prophet, the evangelist, the shepherd, and the teacher, and He will bring a five-fold ministry to massage the Body from head to foot to keep the Body, to bring the Body to life.  Now, apostles have faults, human faults. Prophets have human faults. Evangelists have human faults. Shepherds have human faults and teachers have human faults, and so what the devil does is he goes and he picks out a fault and he magnifies it. Magnifies it! After you finish talking about him, it is impossible to hear the Word of God and you have murdered yourself by the tongue, by talking about it, by unbe­lief. Now, another prophet comes and says, “Brother, you are blessed.  You are wonderful. You are going to ride on high,” and he prophesies and you accept that because he didn’t tell you what God was saying. He told you what was kind of nice for him to tell you.

I was in the church, the denominational system. Remember now, as you heard today, we have come out of the church age.  We are out of the age of the church. The tenure, the time that God gave the church to bring forth something is over.  We have come out of that time and so God has given us another time… The Dispensation of the Fullness. He has given us the apostle, the prophet, the shepherd, the teacher and this is to bring the Body into perfection. Now, we have heard that and some of us don’t believe it.  If you don’t believe it, you are one of those who are not hearing the voice of God. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: ²⁸and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand (John 10:27-28). My sheep hear my voice. Some of us are not “My sheep.” Some of us are not in the “My sheep” because we won’t hear the voice of the Father.  Listen, brethren, the voice of God speaks in the Body from the smallest to the greatest, from the smallest person in God to the great­est (whoever you think might be the greatest), the voice of God is speaking through them.

You might say, “Howdy-do,” and that is the voice of God.  The love of God comes out of that person. You feel a little down and some­body says, “God bless you, sister,” or may hug you and you feel the love of God. Amen. God is speaking in His Body and God’s Body is sending forth life, energy, love and we must get away from hate.  Listen, breth­ren, don’t make any excuses.  Hate is everything that falls less than love.

Let me explain a little. Somebody went to the store and he lifted the store. You know, what we call shoplifting.  When he went home, though, his heart smote him and he repented of what he did and he de­cided to go back into the store and to drop back the thing that he had stolen. So therefore, he didn’t tell anybody, but he came to church, and because the gift of God is without repentance, when he came to the con­gregation and especially having just repented, the Spirit of God moved upon him and he gave a Word.  But while he was pilfering, you were around the aisle in the store, and you saw him. “I won’t hear anything from that man,” and you come in the church and you tell your best friend. But it so happens that your best friend has a best friend, and your best friend told her best friend and her best friend had another best friend and the best friend… until the whole congregation has been told. So when he got up and the Spirit of God spoke through him, everybody dropped the curtain, refused to hear him. Who lost? You lost, because you lis­tened to the voice of slander. That is why Paul called the voice of slan­der diabolos, devils. It is just like the demons that go from one place to another carrying evil. You are ordained of God to carry good tidings. You are not ordained to carry negatives.  If the brother stole something and you saw him, you go to God and you pray to God and you say, “Lord, help that brother.”  And you take him to one side and you say, “You know, I saw you.  I saw you when you stole that thing and pushed it in your pocket,” and then the brother would be able to say, “I’m sorry, but I repented and I took it back.” But if you never said anything to him and you go and scatter it, then you destroy the work of God by the power of hate! If that brother had been your natural brother, you would not have told anyone.

So, hate is a blocker to love, and if you find out that you can’t love God’s people as you ought to, it is because you have allowed their wrong deeds to affect you and you hold it in your heart. Can you understand that? So, love thinketh no evil. How could love think no evil when there is evil? You say, “But I saw the evil.”  Love thinketh no evil. Love rejoiceth not in iniquity (I Corinthians 13:5-6). That is, the person gets hit because he was wrong and you said, “He had it coming to him.” That is not love. He had it coming to him, but you are sorry for him.  If it was your child… Why do you think that your children do so many wrong things? God is trying to teach you how to deal with children who are rude and do wrong things. God is trying to teach you how to deal with the people of God. You love them just the same.  They do a lot of wrong things. You love them just the same and you conquer them by love.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels and have not [love] I am nothing (I Corinthians 13:1-2). Don’t you see how God separates the gifts from love? He separates the gifts from love. “I have great gifts. I can preach. I can teach. I can do this.” You are nothing.  God help you. God help us. God help us. Praise God. So, I have much more to say but I will not say any more. I just want to tell you that love lifts us up out of the darkness into the light. Just begin to love, you know… and God will lift you up.

There was a man, Brother Smith, who wrote the last verse of the song, “The Love of God.” “Could we with ink the ocean fill, and were the skies of parchment made, were every stalk on earth (all the grass you see around here) a quill and every man a scribe by trade. To write the love of God above would drain the ocean dry, nor could the scroll con­tain the whole, though stretched from sky to sky.”  That is not an idle dream. Those are the last words he wrote and he died. Amen. They found them in his prison cell. You know what happened to him?  He was a rich man, had a lot of money, and he began to talk about the love of God and his children committed him to the asylum because they wanted his riches, but he loved them just the same. He loved them just the same.

 Praise be to God. Let us be children of love. Amen. Let us be children of love. Amen. Hallelujah. We could talk a little more about marriage and the love that we are supposed to have for one another.  The scripture translates it as bowels of compassion that you have a feeling for the person. You feel it way down in your heart.  God is talking about love. You can’t be mad with the people you love.  If you have love, you don’t get mad with the people. You will get sad when you see them doing wrong things.

Question and Answer Session

• Q: When the Bible says that the Israelites were baptized into Moses, when he died, what happened to all those that were baptized into him? Brother duCille: Well, that’s probably the reason that he didn’t die in the sense of being dead. He was still alive. He came back at the Mount of Transfiguration. What they meant is that… Baptism is immersion, right? And Moses took them through the sea, and there was water above them and water all around them, and it was as if they went through the water and they came out on the other side. The scripture described that as a baptism.
• Q: The thing about “Anything that is not love is hate…” Is that only agape love, or what other loves are encom­passed in that? Is phileo also part of the love? Brother duCille: The phileo love has a lot of selfishness in it. You know, “My children, my family, my this.” So it is not a perfect love. The only perfect love is agape So, we are growing into this agape love and we can use our phileo to help us to under­stand what agape is.
• Q: Phileo love, you can’t call that hate, though. This is just a lesser form of the love. Brother duCille: It is not hate. It is an impure love.
• Q: But it wouldn’t be considered hate, though? Brother duCille: In other words, God endowed the sinner because He said, “If you love them that love you, what thank do you have? Because the sinners themselves do the same” (Luke 6:32). So it is an impure form, but God is bringing us up to the pure form of love. It is like a step on a ladder that takes you up to the final rung.
• Q: The people that died from Adam to Moses, would they be in differ­ent realms of hell? And the people that died under the law, would they be in different realms of hell? You take somebody like Nimrod. Well, of course, Jesus went down to hell. Was he in a different realm?  Like there are three realms of heaven, would there be three realms of hell? And then you talked about Paradise. Brother duCille: Jesus promised to take the man to Paradise with him. That place that they call Paradise, the Jews called it Abraham’s bosom. It was a place where the Word of God comforted them.  So they, al­though they were in the same hell, they were comforted because they had a promise of God that Jesus was coming to take them out.
• Q: Adam was in that place, too? Brother duCille: Adam was there, all of them were there, but then yousaid like Nimrod. He would have no comfort.
• Q: Like they were separated by a gulf? Brother duCille: The gulf would be the fact that they hated God; they wouldn’t accept Jesus. But every man was given the opportunity of accepting Jesus. If they were not given that opportunity, they could not go to hell. In other words, remember the basis upon which men go to hell is not that they have sinned but that they reject Jesus Christ, the deliverer. So the deliverer comes and many of them reject Him because they hated God. But everyone who had the slightest love for God, when they saw Jesus… “That’s what I wanted.”  They came right out of hell to Him.
• Q: Were the people that were under the law judged harsher than the people that were not under the law? Brother duCille: No, no, no. Everybody was judged on the same basis.Because here now comes Jesus and Jesus preached. The scripture says“he preached to the spirits in prison.” So those who did not know got to know. There was nobody innocent of righteousness when Jesus finished preaching to them.
• Q: Before you started talking about love, you mentioned two things that are going to happen probably in the future. The first one was “humanity will be angry” but you didn’t get into the second one. I don’t know if you wanted to. Brother duCille: He said, “Man, the nations are angry and thy wrath is come” (Revelation 11:18), so we are seeing the wrath of God being poured out like what happened there in the Indian Ocean (the tsunami) and if it is the wrath of God, then it has to happen back here, too. You believe me. It is not just the Indian Ocean, it is going to happen in our section of the world, too.
• Q: Now, there were others that we know that took their body, like Enoch and Elijah, but Moses was the only one that used the blood. Is that what you are saying? Brother duCille: Moses was the only one that died sinless. The others died with sin.
• Q: So, even though they took their bodies…Brother duCille: Oh, they didn’t die. Those like Enoch and Elijah did not die. Moses died, but he died sinless, so he didn’t go to hell.  That is why he was able to join Enoch and Elijah.
• Q: I Samuel 28:13 says, “I saw gods ascending out of the earth,” sort of suggesting that hell or wherever Samuel was, was beneath the earth. Brother duCille: She saw the spirit coming up out of the earth. Now, I don’t know why it appeared that way that he was coming up out of the earth, but that is what she saw. I know that these people who call up demons, in seances, they don’t say that they see spirits coming up out of the earth, but this woman saw him coming up out of the grave.
• Q: You said that people who have gone to be with the Lord cannot be conjured up. So, when people have dreams of departed family mem­bers, can you comment on that? Are these just dreams or are these visi­tations because they are not with the Lord? Brother duCille: From the chapter, the verse that Brother Barak read, Ephesians 1:10, it says, “In the dispensation of the fullness of time he will gather together all that are in heaven and that are in earth in one,” so at this time we find that we are going to see a manifestation in the world that is different from those that we have seen before. We will see the saints being a part of the church. Amen? That is one part of it. When the Bible was written, it was before the dispensation of the fullness of time. What we are saying is that, in verse 1 of chapter 12 of Hebrews, it is saying that they are watching us, like on a race track. They are watch­ing us because the church that is in heaven has to learn from the church that is on earth.

There are some devils that have not been conquered. Let’s say a great big demon beat up your grandfather.  He came and beat up your father and now you come into the time of fullness and you are going to have the privilege of downing him, of casting him into the abyss. When you got saved, you find out that after you got saved, some other members of your family got saved, too. That means that the spirits that used to bind your family, you have been able to overcome them, and once you have become an overcomer, those spirits are beaten and they let loose of your family.  You find that a lot of your family gets saved. You follow what I am trying to say? It definitely means, then, that they are learning from us. The spirits of God are learning from us and they are rejoicing with us and the victories that we have over the spirit world. So, they are with the church and, I wouldn’t say that you can’t see them, because I have seen some of them sometimes, but you don’t have the power to call them up. Do you understand?

God sends angels to you. They say that this is a bad doctrine that I preach, but guess what? It is in the Bible. John saw an angel and this angel came to him and was explaining certain things to him and he bowed down to worship the angel because the thing was so glorious. The Word said he lighted the whole earth with his power when he came down, but the man touched him and said, “No. Get up. I am one of those who were saved by Jesus Christ. I am one of your brothers. Worship God.”  The next one came and he started to worship him again. He also said, “No, no. I am one of the prophets. I am one of the prophets. Worship God.”  So, you see, they do minister to us. And the scripture says, “They minister for us.” I don’t know if you notice that scripture in Peter.  Is it Peter? “Are they not all ministering spirits that minister for…” Read it. They don’t minister to us as much as they minister for us.  In other words, when you make a command, “Be thou healed,” somebody does it. You see?  You make a command that so and so should be done and the Spirit of God runs out there and does it. God is using them as ministering spirits who work for us. The things that we can’t do, they do.

Hebrews 1:14, Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Yes.  They minister for us. That is, we are working with God and there are some things that we cannot do. But we can ask God to do it and God will send them to minister for us.

• Q: One of my children recently asked me about UFOs, and it really shook him up because he has heard stories about them. Are they demon manifestations? Brother duCille:  Personally, I used to believe they are.  I have no grounds on which to stand with my belief, but I know that they manifested and they changed people and hurt them, and some people who saw a UFO never came back. One of our sisters, a dear friend of mine, she came out one night and saw this thing outside her house. She came out to investigate it and she saw this terrible manifestation of something and then afterwards it took off.  But it did something to her.  Do you remember, Mavis?  Did her hair get white or something? I don’t remember what happened.  Anyhow, it did not stop her from being a Christian. She still loved the Lord. But when the sinners get those things, sometimes it hurts them and makes them differ­ent.

Let me say something more about that, sister.  You asked the question. If Satan could manifest and, say, manifest himself in the White House and take on some body, put on a body and pretend to be a man from another planet, then he could probably take over the White House. He could probably turn the world upside down, but he can’t do it be­cause if he is manifesting like that, any little child could rebuke him and destroy him. So, that is one of the reasons why he doesn’t bother with that sort of thing anymore. And there were some government things that were looking like UFOs, too… some experiments that they have.

• Q: When the sons of God lay down their lives, what happens to their souls during those 3 1/2 days? Brother duCille: Well, I figure their souls will be kept by God, just like Lazarus. Lazarus did not really go down into hell in those three and a half days. God had him somewhere.
• Q: I actually have two for you. I’ll start with, “After two days He will revive us and on the third day He will raise us up.” Aren’t those the same times stated a different way? “After two days” is the third day or what is the differentiation there? Brother duCille: Well, the thing is, I can say “after two days” and I mean the fourth day. I have to tell you what day it is after “two days“ and it definitely says “in the third day” not, “after the third day.” After the two days but during the third day He will raise us up. The third day is the seventh millennium.
• Q: Thank you. In Revelation there is a description in this coming de­struction that “a third part of mankind” will be killed this way and “a third part” killed that way. To me, it always sounds like 33 1/3% will die in this manner. I think I have heard you explain that “a third part” doesn’t necessarily mean 33%.  Could you do that for me again, please, or clarify that? Brother duCille: There is a simple explanation there. The third part of the church is the Outer Court and it did say that the Outer Court would be destroyed in one case so that is what it means. That third part there is referring to one section of the church, the Outer Court, the part that is indefensible. You cannot defend the flesh under certain circumstances and God says, “But for the elect sake no flesh would be saved” so there will be a circumstance that will come upon us that will make it impos­sible to save flesh except for the intervention of God.
• Q: When you were talking about Elijah and Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration, you said they asked Jesus about His death, His burial and His resurrection. What scriptural reference do you have that that is what they asked? Brother duCille: That is what the scripture said. They went to inquire of his death, burial and resurrection. Where is that? Congregation: Luke 9:29 says, And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. ³⁰And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: ³¹Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Brother duCille: Is that King James where you said “decease”? I thought it said death.

• Q: I have a clarification. When you said that Samuel was conjured up, did you say that his spirit was there or his soul? Brother duCille: His soul. His spirit goes back to God.
• Q: So his soul, naturally, carnally was manifested before Saul? Brother duCille: He wouldn’t manifest naturally but in the same physical shape. He had the power to manifest in the same body that he had on earth although the body was already dead.
• Q: So man can manifest without his spirit? Is that correct? Brother duCille: That is what happened. If you look at II Corin­thians 5 it tells you that spirits that manifest without their bodies are naked. God gives those who are in heaven a body. He lends them a body, a spiritual body.
• Q: You said that, before the law, men could not go to hell or to heaven. But then it seemed like it was clarified that before Jesus’ death all men went to a place called Paradise or Abraham’s bosom or whatever. But then you were making some point about the law and that how before the law… Brother duCille: Sin was not imputed. Sin was not imputed unto man.
• Q: So what difference does it make before the law and after the law where they went? Brother duCille: Well, it would seem that both those before the law and after the law were in the same place where Jesus went and preached to the spirits in prison.
• Q: So it is the same place? Brother duCille: He called it prison in one case. In the case when He was offering it to the thief on the cross He called it Paradise. But if you get a study of it and then you will see that it is really hell. David went there and David said, “He will call me out of hell,” in the 16th chapter of the Psalms. David spoke of his soul being in hell and that God would not suffer his holy one to see corruption and that was David’s hope, that Jesus was not going to see corruption so he was going to be resurrected up out of this hell. He just called it point blank, hell, in the
• In the New Testament, in the Greek, they call it Paradise and Hades and Sheol. But make a study of it. It would be an interesting study.
• Q: Well, I am trying to understand what the significance of the law was because it seems like Adam and Eve had to have some sort of law, well, they did, in order to have sinned in the first place and then there was Moses’ law that came along. I am trying to understand if there is some sort of significance to that law. Brother duCille: I agree with you. The significance that Adam and Eve had is that they got an order from God: “Don’t eat that fruit. Don’t go near that tree.” It could be nothing. It could be a stone. “Don’t take up that stone.” If you take it up, it is disobedience, and sin entered in. So, therefore, those people, Adam and Eve, became sinful because they did what they were told not to do. To them, that was the law and all men after that did what they shouldn’t do so it developed so God brought in the law and with the law came guilt so that men became guilty now of disobeying the law. These people did not walk and talk with God as Adam, but they had God’s word legislated to them. But Adam and Eve did disobey the law of God.
• Q: So then what distinguishes the people between Adam and Moses? What is the difference other than that they didn’t know the law? Are you saying that they weren’t as guilty as the people after the law? Brother duCille: That is what the scripture said.
• Q: It said nevertheless death reigned…, was unrestricted, which, it’s obviously a spiritual death. Brother duCille: Although they weren’t as guilty as those who disobeyed the law, they also were born in disobedience, original sin. They couldn’t help themselves. They were born that way. Even when God killed them in the flood, that was God’s love.  That was God’s love to save them because when they were drowning they called to God and the scripture said that it was a baptism. So you say baptism doth now save. It put them in a frightful situation where they called upon God and God said “Alright. When Jesus comes, He will take you out of hell.”
• Q: What about in Romans in the first chapter where it says that “since the beginning of creation the invisible attributes are clearly seen and they are without excuse.” Wouldn’t they also be since they have cre­ation and they are without excuse? Brother duCille: Man was made in the image of God. Therefore when he does something wrong he knows he is wrong. At the begin­ning, God said, “You must not kill man and any man who kills man, by man he should be killed,” but that still didn’t mean that those who killed a man would go to hell because you couldn’t send a man to hell because of sin. Man would only go to hell because he rejected righteousness, his free gift of salvation and the Blood of Christ. It is peculiar but it is great.
• Q: duCille, the Bible depicts three men: Enoch, Elijah and Moses who went to heaven with their bodies but only two appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration. Why not Enoch? Brother duCille: I will have to ask God that. I thought of it myself. I just don’t know.  Enoch came through faith.
• Q: You said that Moses died without sin because he sacrificed the lamb. Did he go to Abraham’s bosom? Where did he go since he did not go to hell at that time? Brother duCille: No. No. Abraham’s bosom is a description of hell. It is a description of a comforting part of hell. In other words, people were tormented according to the capacity of their sins.
• Q: Why was it called that? Brother duCille: Abraham’s bosom? Because the Jews, in their lan­guage, wanted to show that they were in a place of comfort.

Amen. Praise God.